UIL wrestling alignment

[Goddard84]

I agree that 4 out of Districts is a very positive outcome!!

[DBNEWYORK]

DBNEWYORK-

I guess we now know what DB Stands for! Why do you have to bring Pierce/Rico into the scenario? Are you kidding! There are far too many instances when the best two wrestlers are on the same side of the bracket at State and this should NOT happen! This is a problem that is easily corrected with a matrix that is used by several other states...

The other problems you address are problems! So DB, YOU got answers? If so then lets hear them! Dont be part of the problem, be part of the solution or quit your bitchn'!

Iron man,
The Pierce/ Rico Match up was brought up in an earlier post that I was responding to. It has since been edited and removed. You seem to know who the best two wrestlers in the state are why don't you rank them. Oh yeah if you were to do that we would have 14 #1 ranked Allen wrestlers. You hold an incredible bias and do not see enough state wide wrestling to make educated decisions on ranking wrestlers. You either minimize or outright disregard any wrestling from outside the Metroplex.
To be fair it is impossible to see enough Wrestling from all over Texas to make an accurate seeding at the State tournament. I am certain you would have ranked Pierce ahead of Walker. Your reasoning of course all the tough competion Pierce faced over the course of the season. For sure he is a great wrestler however not the best in the state of Texas.
For your information I have sat with Peter Contreras on a number of occasions and voiced ligitamate complaints on equity. I sent him a proposal for the last alignment and well each time it fell on deaf ears. I am an active part of finding simple solutions to UIL's continuing incompetence. So if you hear me "bitchn" and don't like it tough.
By the way every one has an answer for a better Matrix but sofar no one has been robbed of a State Championship.

[jmicheal2333]

DBNEWYORK-
First of all- I don't think Ironman stated someone was "robbed" of a state championship. Do you even understand what a matrix is? It should have several different categories: winning percentage, last years state placement, head to head competition, etc. It would be stupid to match up kids early in a tournament if it can be avoided based on a matrix. And to tell the truth if a wrestler has a tougher schedule then they actually will penalized if they have any loses (winning percentage)because of their tougher schedule. Someone doesn't have to see a wrestler wrestle live to be able to rank them. I am sure Josh Lowe hasn't seen everyone he ranks: that is just another stupid comment that show how ignorant you are. Your are also very ingnorant or maybe just plain stupid if you think that is winning the state championship is the only thing that determines "the best in state". A ton of great wrestlers have lost in the state tournament, however they are still considered to be the best in their state because of what they have done and continue to do on the mat. And as far as Walker goes he has done great things, but not even close to what Pierce has done in his career. Pierce is by far the better wrestler because of his history and it is unfortunate that he lost in the finals, however Walker also had a great season, and did what it took to win in the finals match. And if they would have been seeded based on a matriz Walker would have been seeded ahead of Pierce because of his placement the previous year. I doubt having a matrix would help the Allen wrestlers unless they were undefeated or state champions the previous year or have already beaten the opponent during the season.
Maybe people don't listen to you at UIL is because you call them incompetent, while your lack of knowledge is oozing out of every sentence you post.

[jmicheal2333]

For your information I have sat with Peter Contreras on a number of occasions and voiced ligitamate complaints on equity. I sent him a proposal for the last alignment and well each time it fell on deaf ears.

Where I come from "complaining" is the same as "bitchin"

[DBNEWYORK]

jmicheal,

Don't tell me, your another Allen parent? Stupid, ignorant, very ignorant, lack of knowledge oh yes I guess you have to be an Allen booster to know anything or have any knowledge in the sport of wrestling. 1's vs 4's 2's vs 3's is simple enough. Their ranking comes from their placement in the Regional tournament. What would you do if a previous State Champion loses at regionals would the 2 seed out of Region 3 get a 1 seed at the state tournament? Thier are flaws in every system. If regional placing held to the semi's it would be 1 vs 1 any way. When people start complaining or bitching about seeding a tournament so that the best wrestlers meet in the finals not the semis they lack a true understanding of the sport. Your opinion whether they are the best two is not needed. It is settled on the mat. In the semis or the finals.
As far as the Walker Pierce comparison I wont make up a series of reasons why Walker is a better wrestler than Pierce except to note the State Championship he won over Pierce. I guess that is good enough for us non Allen boosters.
Please feel free to bitch some more about how stupid and ignorant I am.

[jmicheal2333]

You are as prejudice as you are stupid! Not all Allen parents have the same opinion, And I am not an Allen parent. Have you ever been to another state? Wow, I guess I shouldn't expect any knowledge of seeding and what it entails from you. And as far as pierce vs walker match up, have you ever heard of an upset? maybe I could sit down with you and explain how a seeding matrix works, but I have a feeling it would fall on deaf ears.

[tulsatimer]

I have a question a little off the subject? Does DB stand for Dumb Butt or Douche Bag? It is hard to tell by your posts. You seem to fit nicely into both categories.

[DBNEWYORK]

Jmichael,
I get it now. Your a kid. I should have known you have to stand up for your coach and your teammate. However your arguments seem to contadict each other. If walker would have been seeded ahead of Pierce then how is it an upset? Walker was a returning State Champion and undefeated in two years, but you think its an upset. That is the # 1 problem with seeding the state tournament. You and your buddies are good at playground name calling but not at evaluating talent and not reading. DB NEW YORK! Have I ever been to another State? Think about it chief. You seem to be stuck on a seeding matrix but are not really interested in realignment or the new format. Probably doesn't effect you.

[tulsatimer]

DB,

We are still waiting on the answer? Which is it, I just cannot put my thumb on it.

[austex]

Come on children.... Focus... Back to the alignment discussion...

I LIKE THEM!

4 from each district to regionals is a BIG improvement. Nice job UIL!

Sure I'm persuaded by the prospect of 1 wrestler being the undisputed State champion. But consider that the UIL champion doesn't get to/have to wrestle the TAPPS champion. So is the current UIL champion really the undisputed State champ? No. We have some fabulous wrestlers coming out of Bishop Lynch, St. Mark's, San Antonio Christian, Faustina Academy (Sipes), etc.. It's funny that there's never been a thread I can remember over the last six years I've been on here about how we need the TAPPS champion and the UIL champion to wrestle off to determine who really is the best. But we HAVE to do it for UIL 4A and 5A?

Having double the number of UIL state champs will have a positive impact on wrestling. More kids will achieve success levels they dream of, more parents will be excited for their kids, more people will follow the sport and maybe more kids will get college offers. Hopefully the more level playing field will get more non-5A schools to take up the sport. Wouldn't that be great? The alignment is not a game changer but it helps. Let's be positive and accept this in the name of growing wrestling in our great State.

Many school districts, including Austin ISD, put in place travel restrictions that limit teams to within 100 miles. I've heard some have limits of 30 miles. The UIL was forced to realign with this in mind, and had to group geographically. That's why the two 4A schools in the West/Panhandle are by themselves and are over 150 miles away, with the next nearest 5A wrestling school 375 miles away in Weatherford. What could the UIL do here?

Some quick facts: Region 1 has no new schools in either 4A or 5A but loses Canyon and Hamlin. Region 2 4A adds Chisholm Trail and Dallas Carter, and loses none. Region 3 adds 15 new schools in 4A with 12 of those in Houston ISD's district 11 (is this for real?), and loses 3 schools from the old District 19 - Greenville, Pine Tree and Quinlan Ford and Houston King from the old District 24. Region 4 loses Texas School for the Blind, Robstown, and Edcouch-Elsa but adds 3 more in Schertz Clemons, Cibolo Steele, and Pharr-San Juan-Alamo Southwest.

Did you take a look at the huge school districts? For the 17 schools in Dallas ISD's District 7-4A, I can't remember seeing more than 2 of these schools participating in any tournament. Do these 17 schools all REALLY offer wrestling???? NO! Same for 11-4A in Houston. Of these 16 schools, I can only recall Houston Lee offering wrestling. I'm sure some other do, but grouping all these together makes sense. Hopefully the UIL knows something we don't and thinks this alignment might get these big ISDs to adopt our sport. The rest of the 4A districts actually look pretty logical. The Corpus schools got grouped with the Valley schools which are 200 miles away. Yikes.

The 5A districts actually worked out better than I would have imagined. Region 1 and Region 2 have 8 teams, in good geographic vicinity, in 7 of the 8 districts. That's almost perfect. Region 3 (sans Allen -- lucky them) also looks appropriate. The 15 school District 12 seems too big until you look at the schools -- at least 5 of them don't offer wrestling as far as I can tell. Region 4 seems to have gotten the worst of it. The Austin schools are finally in one district but San Antonio is still jammed up with 12 schools including the 2 best from Corpus. ALL of these schools wrestle and they are good. District 15 challenges for the deepest in the State. District 16 has 13 schools and they all have good wrestling programs. The Valley went from 2 full districts into 1 massive one. Region 4's districts are all tough and no one will dominate. It will be a great regional!

Sign me up as a fan of the new alignments!

While I'm on here.... It wasn't that long ago that this site had a mob mentality against the "cheating" Bishop Lynch who, frankly, built a great program and finally got Texas some national respect. Now the mob is against Allen. I found myself rooting against Allen at the State Championships, pulling for the "underdogs". I almost lost my voice from screaming for 2 time champ Aaron Walker in his epic match with one of the greatest wrestlers in Texas history, the wonderfully gifted Oliver Pierce. But I have nothing but respect for what Coach Best and the Allen wrestling community have accomplished and I find myself pulling for all their guys when they go out of state and compete against the nation's best. We need more programs like Allen, and I hope those who truly care about the sport are watching what they do and copying them. I just couldn't be as proud about Texas wrestling without them. If the fans on ITW don't grow and support this sport, who will?